Re: RH 7.3 and XFS

[Stefan Smietanowski <stesmi@stesmi.com>]

Hi Mike

>>>Unfortunately, this is incorrect.  SGI announces the release of the 
>>>updated installer once it's completed.  They also make it available for 
>>>download, via their web site.  When the installer is ready, anyone who is 
>>>interested in using it has at least 2 methods of finding out about 
>>>it...the linux-xfs list and the web site.  And let us not forget about the 
>>>list archives, which are searchable.
>>
>>Which contradict what I said in what way?
>>
>>quote me:
>> >> The issue is that it's already been discussed and people should read
>> >> that it HAS been discussed .."
>>end quote me
> 
> 
> The part which reads:
> 
> Quote you:
> They just want itm and if they don't ask, they won't know.
> End quote you

Actually, from where I'm sitting if I put both my statements back in the 
correct order again they seem to say the same you're saying. :)

Let me rephrase what I wrote: "If they don't ask, they won't know, but 
they should know it's been asked before and hence not ask. They should 
simply read that it's coming (or not)". Clearer?

> 
> 
>>>>>Stefan is correct though, its not SGI's responsibility to rewrite
>>>>>everyones installer, thats the vendor's responsibility, or its your
>>>>>own responsibility.  nobody should be expecting SGI to do it like they
>>>>>are obligated, they aren't.  remember this is a port of XFS to the
>>>>>Linux kernel, NOT a port of XFS to redhat. 
>>>>
>>>>Yes and no, XFS is a kernel issue, true (and some userspace fluff). But 
>>>>also, SGI have supplied installer isos for three consecutive RedHat 
>>>>distros. Don't be surprised people are SO happy with it that they 
>>>>request a new one ported to the latest RedHat.
>>>
>>>
>>>But those same people, who know that the installer has been put together 
>>>for the last 3 releases, can take it on pretty good faith that an 
>>>installer for this version will be forthcoming.
>>
>>I'm sorry, are you agreeing or disagreeing with me here. You have me 
>>confused.
> 
> 
> The next statement should have given you the indication.  I'm disagreeing 
> that they need to request the next version be updated...already using the 
> product, from a previous installer, and being members of this list and 
> having read the previous threads, they should already know that it's 
> forthcoming and should need to ask.

Ok, well, I disagree with the implicit assumption that there will be an 
installer made. Don't get me wrong. I want one to come forth, it's just 
that it shouldn't be 100% assumed they will. I even believe they said at 
one point there was NO work being done on the installer. I believe it 
was Nathan who said that but I could be mixing it up.

quote someone else then Nathan:
 > When will there be ISO images for RedHat 7.3 please ?

When someone from the community makes one.
end quote

And I read "community" as not being SGI themselves :)


>>>>Notice the difference between request and demand please.
>>>
>>>
>>>Request is a single request.  Demand is a clamoring for the item.  See 
>>>the difference between what you think is a request and what appears to be 
>>>the reality of a demand situation.
>>
>>Again, is 3 people submitting a request 3 people submitting a request or 
>>a demand?
>>
>>I have seen a few requests for an installer. I cannot say I've seen a 
>>demand for it.
> 
> 
> But it hasn't been 3 people...it's been more (and no, I haven't saved all 
> the threads, so I don't have an accurate count, at this time).

I know there's been more, that was again an example :)

Not keeping count? What do you do all day ? :)


>>IF they choose to make one. They have indicated there is work in that 
>>direction.
> 
> 
> Exactly...they have indicated that it is being worked on.  How are 
> repeated requests for a deadline or release date going to help, when, as 
> is the case with any development process, end dates can't really be pinned 
> down without looking like fools if the dates are missed?

Being a software developer for several years I know :)

> It doesn't really matter.  Like we've all said...it'll be out when it's 
> out, and will be announced at that time, right?

Yup.

// Stefan