On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 14:12, Ben Greear wrote:
> > Well, theres only one way out that device ;-> and it goes out at a max
> > rate of Gige. If you have sustained incoming rates from the CPU(s) of
> > greater than Gige, then you are fucked anyways and you are better to
> > drop at the scheduler queue.
> I have seen greater packets-per-second throughput when I increase
> the TxDescriptor
> ring (and RxDescriptor ring) when using pktgen, which checks for enqueue
> and re-queues as needed. So, it could help the case where we are running
> at very high sustained speeds (or high packets-per-second rates).
Have you tried increasing the s/ware queue instead?;-> Thats been
mentioned in about the last 10 posts.
Even though you care about what you refer as "very high sustained
speeds" type of apps, others may not. Infact i think the majority may
Think of that poor ssh login packet queued in behind 999 ftp packets in
the s/ware queue which is also above another 1000 ftp packets in the TX
Whatever happened to good engineering such as the post from Donald?
> >>I flunked that queuing theory class anyway, so what do I know? Every
> >>time I get stuck in a traffic slug on the freeway, I think about that
> >>class. Hey, that means my car is like an skb, so maybe longer roads
> >>would help? Not!
> > Note we do return an indication that the packet was dropped. What you do
> > with that information is relative. TCP makes use of it in the kernel
> > which makes sense. UDP congestion control is mostly under the influence
> > of the UDP app in user space. The impedance between user space and
> > kernel makes that info useless to the UDP app especially in cases when
> > the system is overloaded (which is where this matters most). This is of
> > course theory and someone who really wants to find out should
> > experiment. I would be pleasantly shocked if it turned out the info to
> > the UDP app was useful. An interesting thing to try , which violates
> > UDP, is to have UDP requeue a packet back to the socket queue in the
> > kernel everytime an indication is received that the scheduler queue
> > dropped the packet. User space by virtue of UDP sock queue not emptying
> > should find out soon and slow down.
> Um, I doubt the UDP protocol says you MUST drop packets when you reach
> congestion...it just says that you _CAN_ drop the packet.
Which UDP spec did you read?;-> Try to do voice or any "realtime" apps
which use UDP precisely because it doesnt do what you described
> down user-space is exactly what you want to do in this case because it
> saves user-space CPU, and it saves the user-space program from having
> to deal (so often) with dropped packets.
> Already, if the socket queue is full, poll/select will block, you'll get
> -EBUSY returned, and/or your application will block on a wait queue....
> Any of these allow the user space program to immediately back off,
> saving the whole system work.
Why dont you try an experiment to show that you can pass the signal to
> > To give anology to your car, if you only find out half way later that
> > there was a red light a few meters back then that info is useless. If
> > you dont get hit and reverse you may find that infact the light has
> > turned to green which is again useless ;->
> So much better to have stopped the car earlier and kept him out of the
> intersection in the first place :)
Try that experiment friend and see if you could have stopped the car in