Require kdb patches
CDunn at Empirix.com
Mon Nov 29 09:42:26 PST 2004
I took a long walk down this path just a few months ago. I did go and
ask Red Hat, and the answer I got was essentially:
"Go away, all debuggers are evil, and we won't allow one in Red
Now, I still give many kudos to the Red Hat sales person who tried
everything in her power to get an answer for us that would solve our
problem, but every place she turned within the Red Hat engineering
community got the same stock answer seen above. The bottom line was she
ran into a brick wall at every turn she took. The brick wall is a
religion about how awful debuggers are.. I will never understand this
attitude.. A debugger is never a substitute for understanding the code..
It IS however just one tool that can help one to understand the code..
It is not a panacea or a crutch, but to say that it has no place in the
OS, and that there are no problems for which a debugger is the correct
tool is just silly. To say that because some group of people used a tool
badly means that the tool should be taken from everyone is a very
strange argument. By that logic, since there are people who have used
butter knives as a screw driver, we should ban butter knives..
This has been hashed out, over, and over, and over again, so
please, don't forward this to more lists as it will only start a
pointless flame war.. If anyone feels the need to flame someone, flame
me directly without copying the list...
Bottom line Red Hat has so changed the 2.4.x kernel that there
is no easy way to apply the 2.4.x kdb patch anymore. You would have to
get kdb from Red Hat, and they don't have it to give.. They don't even
use it in-house.
In the end, Red Hat made it so hard to do business with them,
(they wanted $25K just to get started with them) that we told them to
jump in a lake and moved to SuSE 9.1 Pro... kdb is built into this right
from SuSE, and all you have to do is recompile to get it.. Been a VERY
stable OS to work with, we're very happy with it!
Note: These opinions are my own, and do not reflect the opinions of my
employer. You mileage may vary, not legal in all states, must be over 18
to qualify. See your Ford dealer for details.
From: kdb-bounce at oss.sgi.com [mailto:kdb-bounce at oss.sgi.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Owens
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 7:18 AM
To: Rohit Mehra
Cc: kdb at oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: Require kdb patches
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:30:50 +0900,
Rohit Mehra <rohit_mehra at soft.fujitsu.com> wrote:
>I require kdb patches for the following RED HAT kernel releases:
>Does OSS maintain patches for RED HAT kernel releases?
No, only for standard Linus kernels. Each distributor adds their own
patches, which makes it difficult to apply kdb to each distribution.
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