On Sun, 10 Jun 2001, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
> [ Probably starting to get off topic here. ]
>
> Dan Swartzendruber wrote:
> > well, what can i say. i really like quicken/2000.
>
> We need more people to lobby Intuit. GNUCash is nice, but an OSS
> project just cannot build the industry relationships so users can do
> on-line banking. TheKompany's trying to do this, and it will be
> interesting to see what happens.
interesting idea.
> > and wine is just lame
>
> ??? It's a great porting toolkit first and formost. And from the
> standpoint of reverse engineering for "run-time," it's amazing what
> they have done. I've always sided with Linus that the "goal" is to
> get commercial developers to produce native apps for Linux. But
> what the WINE project has done is nothing less than unbelievable.
i didn't mean to (potentially) offend anyone. i'm sure the wine guys
have worked their butts off. i mean from the enduser standpoint, as
far as using an advanced app like quicken2000.
> > - it's been 75% (or whatever) done for years now, it seems
>
> Yes, and it will _always_ be like that. You cannot "hit" a moving
> target. Samba is in the same boat.
i don't agree. samba may not be "complete", but it does everything
i need to do (the only things missing are not visible to win98 it
seems). the last i heard, quicken2000 under wine can display the
account registers and do much of the mechanical stuff, but the online
operations don't work (which is 99% of my reason for using it).
> But it's 100% Windows free, unlike Win4Lin or VMWare. Heck, some
> older apps that will not run under 98, ME or 2000 run fine under
> WINE! This is a testament to its capabilities.
>
> > if i can get a nice threaded mail client with IMAP support,
> > i'd move my mail from win98 to KDE in a flash.
>
> Well, there is GTK+-based Sylpheed (although it should run fine in
> KDE as well):
> http://sylpheed.good-day.net/
worth taking a look at. i've also heard from someone that kde alpha
kmail supports it.
> BTW, I recently posted a list of apps that I use regularly:
> http://www.zepa.net/hypermail/elug/2001/05/0105.html
>
> I chucked MS Office in 1998 after upgrading to Word 97 from Word
> 95. I lost half my templates and, after spending 15 hours
> recreating the most complicated one, I simply said "fuck it." Now I
> will only write in LaTeX or SGML. LyX (http://www.lyx.org) does
> both quite nicely -- and I even use it to create presentations in
> small-size PDF formats (e.g., 25 slides in 50KB!). I consider MS
> Office to be a bastardization. The testament to that is the fact
> that _no_publisher_ I know of uses MS Word as its publication system
> (and even when they take author submissions in MS Word format, they
> save it as text and force the user to use "mark up" for their script
> that converts it to SGML anyway ;-).
hee hee. i can't argue. then again, i almost never use any of the
office crap any (from winblows).
> > i'm new here - what is the metadata journaling argument re ext3?
>
> Ext3 started out as a full-data journaling-only "add-on" to Ext2.
> Worked great and, after 3 months of testing in early 2000, I adopted
> it on all my systems (version 0.0.2f). Then Tweedie started to get
> fancy and went after meta-data journaling (aka "v2 mode"). All I've
> had with meta-data is nothing but problems -- and data loss! Worse
> yet, I cannot seem to figure out how to "downgrade" my journals to
> "v1 mode" (full-data) other than converting back to Ext2, booting a
> pre-0.0.3 Ext3 kernel, recreating them, and then re-booting the new
> kernel.
ugh.
> The entire issue is a pure performance one. Full-data journaling is
> basically a "double buffer" and cuts performance in half. Meta-data
> just journals the structural and attribute changes to the
> filesystem, but not the data. The "ordered writes" mode has cost me
> a filesystem once, although newer versions are supposed to fix it.
> I really don't care because full-data is fine for me. I sure wish
> he would just focus on that, but Tweedie has done a fine job
> regardless and I don't want to knock his longstanding dedication to
> the kernel in general.
point. one of the things that pissed me off about reiserfs was the
(as far as i know) un-announced incompatible change. i had been
running mandrake 7.2 with all reiserfs. went to reinstall to get
up to 2.4.3 (via mandrake 8) and couldn't access things. finally
gave up (after 10+ hours and 3AM) and went to ext2. *later* i find
out what happened :(
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