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Re: Total fs corruption

To: "Bernhard R. Erdmann" <be@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Total fs corruption
From: Nigel Kukard <nkukard@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 02:04:26 +0200 (SAST)
Cc: Linux XFS Mailing List <linux-xfs@xxxxxxxxxxx>
In-reply-to: <3BCA2578.AEB7E47D@berdmann.de>
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On Mon, 15 Oct 2001, Bernhard R. Erdmann wrote:

> > could sumone plz install XFS as a root filesystem on a testbox, and reboot
> > about 7 times, add quotas & reboot again... try doing a few halts inbetween.
> > (kernel 2.4.12 + XFS)
> > 
> > as far as i know u won't get past 5 reboots
> 
> I'd very like to perform this procedure but I'm afraid not to have any
> results before tomorrow evening. Please tell me how to add quotas.
> 

man quota; man setquota

> In one of your posting you told us about a 20 MB /boot and a 19 GB /
> filesystem. I wouldn't be happy with this setup. Just a Root-FS and if
> it's gone - you know best... ;-)
> 
> Every server system I set up for the last several years had a small
> (200-500 MB) / fs and everything else was divided up into separate
> filesystems (/var, /tmp, /usr, /usr/local, /var/spool/news,
> /var/spool/squid, /home, /scratch, /tftp, etc.).
> 

out of the question, our servers space requirements change drastically,
very much easier for us to have /boot small & / with the rest on. guess
everyone has their own views. lets not argue  :)

> I've always installed a Linux+XFS server system with ext2fs on /. Well,
> I really trust XFS and it's a great contribution of SGI to the Linux
> community and it's really pushing Linux near the line where commercial
> Unixes like AIX tend to begin. But I wouldn't hire XFS as a babysitter
> for my (nonexisting) children in it's current state of Linux
> development. Too much is a moving target. I've been bitten twice by it:
> a) a corruption of access modes when XFS fs were mounted via NFS and b)
> a kernel panic when trying to mount XFS with a corrupted log. One
> problem with several hardlinks in Cyrus' IMAP spool and incremental
> xfsdumps is still unresolved.
> 
> But all my recently installed servers have XFS (and most of them LVM)
> except for the / fs. 
> 

i actually want to switch to lvm, still researching it on the installer 
side.

> No, not for the / fs. This is my holy filesystem. ext2fs has done with
> Linux for years. If everything crashes, I still want to be able to boot
> off a floppy disc like Tom's Root Boot, mount the former / fs and to do
> "vi etc/passwd" or "vi etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit". And I want to be able to
> copy a new initrd image onto it and do "chroot . sbin/lilo" or to mkfs
> the / fs in case everything went hell or the hardware changed or to use
> ifconfig/netcat/dd/amrestore/restore to get it quickly off my Amanda
> tapes. (Same applies to LVM - great, but not for my holy / fs.)
> 
> You spent a whole weekend with something trashing your 19 GB / fs after
> ten reboots and didn't find any answer. It's time to use a different
> solution.

i have to find the problem, we have multi million $$ servers running with
pure XFS filesystems. i've already released a notice to all our clients
not to reboot the servers we have installed for them till we can track the
problem down & release a fix.

> 
> Maybe you want to take the pragmatic approach and reduce / to 200 MB on
> ext2fs.

can't use ext2fs, filesize limits. reiser is cr4p, i'll stick with XFS
even if it takes me a month to find the bug (going over the sourcecode
line by line). XFS has served me & my company well and i'm not gonna abandon
it!  :)


Kind Regards
Nigel

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