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re[6]: Which Kernel for XFS

To: "Anthony W. Marino" <anthony@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: re[6]: Which Kernel for XFS
From: Greg Freemyer <freemyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 16:38:41 -0400
Cc: linux-xfs <linux-xfs@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Organization: The NorcrossGroup
Sender: owner-linux-xfs@xxxxxxxxxxx
Anthony,

I am not an expert on Linux kernels, and I'm sure there are people on this list 
that will disagree with the below, but my thoughts are:

It depends on what you are trying to do.

If you are a kernel developer, or you want to be on the bleeding edge of kernel 
capabilities, then you need a kernel from kernel.org or one of the other kernel 
maintainers.

For production I like to use distribution kernels.or patched distribution 
kernels.  i.e. From Redhat, SuSE, Mandrake, etc.

My logic for this is that if the kernel turns out to have a bug, it is likely 
that distribution maintainer will correct the kernel and send out the fix.

i.e. Redhat supported the 2.4.9 kernel for 8 months or so, and may still be 
releasing patches for it.

If you are using a kernel.org kernel, and you get a rev. level behind, nobody 
is going to support you.

i.e.  If you have 2.4.17 kernel today, and a kernel bug pops up that you care 
about, there is nobody that is going to creating patches against that "old" of 
a kernel.  As I understand it, the kernel developers never fix a released 
kernel.  If something is broke, they fix it in the next release.  
Unfortunately, something else will likely be broken in the next release.

If you want a "maintained" kernel, you have to get it from a distribution 
provider.

Another issue, is that if you upgrade your kernel and you don't get all the 
associated pieces, you can break some applications.

i.e. Some of the xfs user-land tools for kernels prior to 2.4.18 don't work 
with the 2.4.18 kernel.  I imagine that there are many of these kernel 
dependencies spread around a typical distribution, and you risk breaking things 
if you upgrade the kernel lock, stock, and barrel.

Greg Freemyer
Internet Engineer
Deployment and Integration Specialist
Compaq ASE - Tru64
Compaq Master ASE - SAN Architect
The Norcross Group
www.NorcrossGroup.com




 >>  Greg,
 >>  Are there any advantages to me using the Mantel/SuSE kernel over the
 >>  latest 
 >>  sources from sgi?

 >>  Thanks,
 >>  Anthon

 >>  > Anthony,
 >>  >
 >>  > The notes at
 >>  >
 >>  ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/suse/people/mantel/
 >>  ne
 >>  >xt/kernel-source.changes give you some of what you are asking about.
 >>  >
 >>  > Per the above, it is based on the 2.4.19-pre8aa1 kernel.  I believe that
 >>  > already has the XFS patches in it, so you could look into what it has.
 >>  >
 >>  > For details, I guess you need to download the source RPM and read the
 >>  > specfile.
 >>  >
 >>  > Greg
 >>  >
 >>  >  >>  > Since you are using a SuSE distribution, have you thought about
 >>  >  >>  > using
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  the
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  > SuSE experimental kernel from
 >>  >  >>  > ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/RPM/
 >>  >  >>  >
 >>  >  >>  > It has all the standard SuSE patches and includes a relatively
 >>  >  >>  > recent
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  XFS.
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  > Possibly XFS v1.1, but I'm not sure.
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  I have the Mantel's latest kernel installed on my laptop however
 >>  I'm
 >>  >  >> not certain what it is that I have.  What I mean by that is how do I
 >>  >  >> find out what XFS version and patch level do I have so that I can
 >>  >  >> decide on patch upgrades?  I know it says kernel 2.4.18 however is
 >>  it
 >>  >  >> really 2.4.19 pre... .
 >>  >  >>  As you can see, I'm not certain of the versions and patch levels
 >>  >  >> contained
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  within the Mantel stuff.
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  Anthony
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  > FYI: The stock SuSE 8.0 kernel also has XFS support, but the ACL
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  handling
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  > is broken in such a way that xfsdump/xfsrestore don't handle ACLs
 >>  >  >>  > correctly.
 >>  >  >>  >
 >>  >  >>  > Greg Freemyer
 >>  >  >>  > Internet Engineer
 >>  >  >>  > Deployment and Integration Specialist
 >>  >  >>  > Compaq ASE - Tru64
 >>  >  >>  > Compaq Master ASE - SAN Architect
 >>  >  >>  > The Norcross Group
 >>  >  >>  > www.NorcrossGroup.com
 >>  >  >>  >
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  Steve,
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  What do you recommend that I use since the box I'm building
 >>  is
 >>  >  >>  >  >> a development
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  box for myself which I will be using for development
 >>  purposes
 >>  >  >>  >  >> and
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  thus
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  will
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  be using other cvs sources from other opesource projects as
 >>  >  >>  >  >> well?
 >>  >  >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  Anthony
 >>  >  >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 13:26, Anthony W. Marino wrote:
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > > I'm building/setting-up a new server SuSE 7.3 which will
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  include
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > > 3ware (7810) ide raid (10 or 5) with brand new drives
 >>  and
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > > most likely LVM
 >>  >  >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  too.
 >>  >  >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > > Should I get the kernel from oss.sgi.com cvs
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > > (CVSROOT=":pserver:cvs@xxxxxxxxxxx:/cvs" linux-2.4-xfs)
 >>  or
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > > is there another location/process that I should
 >>  entertain?
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > > Also
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  what
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > > kernel release does the oss.sgi.com cvs sources give me?
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > >
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > > Thank You,
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > > Anthony
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  >
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > Right now it gives you 2.4.19-pre9 with xfs and kdb (which
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > you probably do not care about). There are fixes in this
 >>  tree
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > which
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  are
 >>  >  >>
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > not available anywhere else, it is the most direct link to
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > XFS development. Of course this also possibly means there
 >>  are
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > bugs in this tree which are not available anywhere else.
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  >
 >>  >  >>  >  >>  > Steve
 >>  >
 >>  > Greg Freemyer
 >>  > Internet Engineer
 >>  > Deployment and Integration Specialist
 >>  > Compaq ASE - Tru64
 >>  > Compaq Master ASE - SAN Architect
 >>  > The Norcross Group
 >>  > www.NorcrossGroup.com









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