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Re: colliding ip detection!

To: Vernon Wells <wells@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: colliding ip detection!
From: "Michael H. Warfield" <mhw@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:39:31 -0500
Cc: "Michael H. Warfield" <mhw@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Greg Simpson <gws@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, netdev@xxxxxxxxxxx
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On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 12:23:59PM -0800, Vernon Wells wrote:
> >> M$-windows of course pops up a friendly dialog box, indicating that the
> ip
> >> has been detected in use by someone else, and courteously disables that
> >> ethernet interface for you :) :)

> >     M$ farts out prodigeous numbers of broadcast packets and expects
> >to seen prodigeous numbers of broadcast packets.  It spots the fact that
> >someone else sends out a packet with your IP address in the src address.
> >(at least that's one way they detect it).  Amusing random acts of terrorism
> >can result including some spectacular denial of service attacks (think
> >about it for a second).

> This is perhaps misworded.  As with most systems, Windows sends a
> "gratuitous ARP" for an IP address the IP address is bound (see, e.g.,
> TCP/IP Illustrated Volume 1 for an explanation of gratuitous ARPs) and waits
> for an (Ethernet) unicast ARP reply, which indicates that somebody else is
> using the same address.  The denial of service you hint at only works
> locally; machines can't (bugs aside) propagate ARP requests to a remote
> network.

        Oh, very true...  Just like most dhcp address exhaustion attacks
only work locally.  It's just that they are a royal bitch to track down
once they happen (and that's when you start in with the rubber hose because
the guilty party is a local).  :-)

        [...]

        Mike
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