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Re: /dev/.devfsd ?

To: rgooch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: /dev/.devfsd ?
From: Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 17:08:59 +0200 (CEST)
Cc: devfs@xxxxxxxxxxx
In-reply-to: <200108041437.f74Ebh204802@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca> (message from Richard Gooch on Sat, 4 Aug 2001 08:37:43 -0600)
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> Pascal Bourguignon writes:
> > In the rc.devfs script, the  presence of a /dev/.devfsd node is tested
> > before  lauching devfsd.  It  seems to  expect  it to  be a  character
> > device.
> 
> Note that the rc.devfs script is mostly deprecated. Devfsd provides
> permissions management as well.
> 
> > Well, after  intensive search  in the documentation,  HOWTO, mail-list
> > archives, and  linux kernel sources, I've  found no hint as  to how to
> > create it.
> 
> Of course not. You're not supposed to create it. It's created by the
> kernel. If /dev/.devfsd doesn't exist, it means you haven't mounted
> devfs on /dev.
> 
>                               Regards,
> 
>                                       Richard....

Thanks,

Clearly, there's  something that I've not understood.  Well, from what
you're writting, I  get it that devfsd and the  stuff done by rc.devfs
and in rc.sysinit:

  # If we're using devfs, start devfsd now - we need the old device names
  [ -e /dev/.devfsd -a -x /sbin/devfsd ] && /sbin/devfsd /dev

are actually  the devfs_d_aemon stuff  and devfs (which  is integrated
into the kernel) does not need anything to run, but being mounted. The
question is : how do you mount a devfs "pseudo-volume" on /dev?


I've   got   the   problem   with   the   root_fs   distributed   with
user-mode-linux. For example with the root_fs_redhat_6.2_big, I got:

bash# grep devfs /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit 
# If we're using devfs, start devfsd now - we need the old device names
[ -e /dev/.devfsd -a -x /sbin/devfsd ] && /sbin/devfsd /dev
    action "Mount USB filesystem"  mount -t usbdevfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb
[ -f /proc/bus/usb/devices ] && mount -f -t usbdevfs usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb

bash# ls -l /dev/.dev*
ls: /dev/.dev*: No such file or directory

bash# cat /proc/devices
Character devices:
  1 mem
  2 pty
  3 ttyp
  4 ttys/%d            <--- aren't they devfs devices ?
  5 serial/%d          <--- aren't they devfs devices ?
 10 misc
128 ptm
136 pts
162 raw

Block devices:
  1 ramdisk
  7 loop
 43 nbd
 98 ubd

bash# ls -l /dev/ttys /dev/serial
ls: /dev/ttys: No such file or directory
ls: /dev/serial: No such file or directory


bash# cat /proc/filesystems 
nodev   proc
nodev   sockfs
nodev   tmpfs
nodev   pipefs
        ext2
nodev   devpts


Why is there no 'nodev devfs' line here? Perhaps it's the problem, but
how to solve it?




There are all these references to devfs in /etc:

bash# find /etc  -type f -exec grep -n devfs {} /dev/null \;
/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit:13:# If we're using devfs, start devfsd now - we need the 
old device names
/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit:14:[ -e /dev/.devfsd -a -x /sbin/devfsd ] && /sbin/devfsd 
/dev
/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit:176:    action "Mount USB filesystem"  mount -t usbdevfs 
usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb
/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit:279:[ -f /proc/bus/usb/devices ] && mount -f -t usbdevfs 
usbdevfs /proc/bus/usb
/etc/devfsd.conf:1:# Sample /etc/devfsd.conf configuration file.
/etc/devfsd.conf:11:# configured your system to use the original "new" devfs 
names or the really
/etc/modules.devfs:1:# /etc/modules.devfs
/etc/modules.devfs:7:# This file comes with devfsd-v1.3.10 which is available 
from:
/etc/modules.devfs:10:# 
ftp://ftp.atnf.csiro.au/pub/people/rgooch/linux/daemons/devfsd-v1.3.10.tar.gz


But nowhere anything  related to mounting devfs.




Puzzled...
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