Subject: Re: dummy as IMQ replacement
From: jamal <hadi@cyberus.ca>
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To: Lennert Buytenhek <buytenh@wantstofly.org>
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On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 13:00, Lennert Buytenhek wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 31, 2005 at 04:46:14PM +0200, Hasso Tepper wrote:
> 
> > This is somewhat related to killing the chance to use iptables as well ... 
> > Iptables has better documentation and people use it just because of that.
> 
> I'm afraid I have to agree on this one.  

Well, if you look at the 2 requirements behind IMQ, has nothing todo
with iptables i.e does not at all require presence of iptables.
So motivation is to meet those requirements not kill iptables.

> The idea behind iptables is
> easy to grasp, whereas tc isn't totally obvious, and all tc 'tutorials'
> out there just give you a long list of commands to type in but don't
> really explain you what goes on under the hood.
> 
> And you can't just expect everyone to "Go look at the source."

Agreed, tc is less usable and has a lot less people puking code at it.
The usability part has to be fixed. And i think you will see that with
ematch and eaction code showing up. Credit goes to Bart and co and their
website for putting a lot of docs together. Usability certainly needs to
improve!

cheers,
jamal