Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list netdev); Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:29:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx04.cyberus.ca (mx04.cybersurf.com [209.197.145.108]) by oss.sgi.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id j0VETItT024934 for ; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 06:29:18 -0800 Received: from mail.cyberus.ca ([209.197.145.21]) by mx04.cyberus.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CvcYC-0005CU-Aa for netdev@oss.sgi.com; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 07:29:12 -0700 Received: from cpe0030ab124d2f-cm014500000962.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com ([24.103.99.32] helo=[10.0.0.9]) by mail.cyberus.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1CvcYD-0004g4-Ss; Mon, 31 Jan 2005 09:29:14 -0500 Subject: Re: dummy as IMQ replacement From: jamal Reply-To: hadi@cyberus.ca To: Thomas Graf Cc: Hasso Tepper , netdev@oss.sgi.com, Nguyen Dinh Nam , Remus , Andre Tomt , syrius.ml@no-log.org, Andy Furniss , Damion de Soto In-Reply-To: <20050131140630.GD31837@postel.suug.ch> References: <1107123123.8021.80.camel@jzny.localdomain> <200501311438.01118.hasso@estpak.ee> <1107175673.7847.130.camel@jzny.localdomain> <200501311502.56796.hasso@estpak.ee> <20050131132819.GB31837@postel.suug.ch> <1107179140.7840.157.camel@jzny.localdomain> <20050131140630.GD31837@postel.suug.ch> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: jamalopolous Message-Id: <1107181750.7847.198.camel@jzny.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 31 Jan 2005 09:29:10 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/650/Sun Jan 2 19:00:02 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on 127.0.0.1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-archive-position: 1088 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: netdev-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: netdev-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: hadi@cyberus.ca Precedence: bulk X-list: netdev Content-Length: 1065 Lines: 29 On Mon, 2005-01-31 at 09:06, Thomas Graf wrote: > > Yeah, that would fix it. Note however, that i am trying to highly > > discourage use of iptables and i would rather let people who use > > iptables to suffer;-> (sounds rude i know). At some point i plan to > > remove the dependency on iptables altogether. > > Heh, I think it isn't rude, giving people a little clap to join > the "good side" isn't that bad ;-> > Unfortunately killing it totaly would break all sorts of scripts. Wish we could do this though ;-> Go ahead and push the patch to Dave even - I am just gonna look the other way;-> > > So i am not sure whether i should encourage pushing of this patch or not ;-> > > I don't care that much, the patch is there, everyone can patch and > distributions can pick it up. I agree that we should remove the > dependency on iptables but I'd also like to see the dependency on the > action bits to go away at the same time. Agreed. The main reason not to use the iptables bits is performance; also its just the wrong spot in the stack. cheers, jamal