Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list netdev); Fri, 08 Nov 2002 03:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from outpost.ds9a.nl (postfix@outpost.ds9a.nl [213.244.168.210]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with SMTP id gA8BoouR026941 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 03:50:50 -0800 Received: by outpost.ds9a.nl (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 87A884600; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:52:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 12:52:05 +0100 From: bert hubert To: jamal Cc: Lennert Buytenhek , Marc Boucher , netdev@oss.sgi.com Subject: Re: [PATCH,RFC] explicit connection confirmation Message-ID: <20021108115205.GA20549@outpost.ds9a.nl> Mail-Followup-To: bert hubert , jamal , Lennert Buytenhek , Marc Boucher , netdev@oss.sgi.com References: <20021107152758.GB23858@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i X-archive-position: 1132 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: netdev-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: netdev-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: ahu@ds9a.nl Precedence: bulk X-list: netdev On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 06:22:00AM -0500, jamal wrote: > > There was a thread about this in private mail round April this year, > > in which some good points were raised. > > There are some good points; however, whats the app for this feature? This came up a long time ago on bugtraq in a discussion how to easily prevent certain IP addresses from DoSsing your TCP daemon. Right now, userspace is always forced to complete the threeway handshake, and can only then close the socket. Even rather small amounts of SYN packets can thus easily saturate a server which has decided to handle only 100 connections AND has decided to ignore a certain IP address. Some inetd superservers contain code to ratelimit IP addresses which sadly is not as effective from userspace as it could be with the ability to RST a connection immediately. It also allows userspace to simulate that a service isn't even there, without root capabilities. Regards, bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Versatile DNS Software & Services http://lartc.org Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO