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Re: [RFC v2] Unicode/UTF-8 support for XFS

To: Jeremy Allison <jra@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2] Unicode/UTF-8 support for XFS
From: Olaf Weber <olaf@xxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 22:03:50 +0200
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Dave Chinner <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Ben Myers <bpm@xxxxxxx>, <linux-fsdevel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <tinguely@xxxxxxx>, <xfs@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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On 26-09-14 21:46, Jeremy Allison wrote:
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 09:37:11PM +0200, Olaf Weber wrote:

My argument against "mount time case-insensitivity" and for "mkfs
time case-insensitivity" is related to switching from the
case-sensitive domain to the case-insensitive one.

For case-sensitive, from "README" to "readme" there are 64 different
possible filenames.  Let's say you create 63 out of these 64. Now
remount the filesystem case-insensitive, and try to open by the 64th
version of "readme". It is not an exact match for any of the 63
candidate files, and a case-insensitive match to all 63 candidate
files. Which of these 63 files should be opened, and why that one in

I'm ok with "mkfs time case-insensitivity" - really !
Most of my OEMs would set that and claim victory (few
of them care much about NFS semantics :-).

I'd say you can have CIFS-style case-insensitive semantics or NFS-style case-sensitive semantics, but not both. And in particular, that a customer should not actually want to have both.

Having CI matching can speed up Samba operations by a
factor of 10 on large directories (warning, number made
up, depending on the number of entries per dir :-).

I really want that to be true, but the proof of the pudding...

No it really *is* true. The reason I can't give
exact numbers is it depends on the number of entries.

Remember, for every cache *miss*, we have to scan
the entire directory.

So a user asks for README, and we attempt that
and it fails. So now we have to enumerate the
entire directory to see if READMe (or any other
case varient) exists.

Now do that in a directory with 10, 100, 1000,
.... 10000000 existing files (don't laugh, I've
seen an application for Music files that did
*exactly* that). On a case insensitive filesystem
you just request README and you're done.

Certain vendors who shall remain nameless :-)
created test cases of just this example to
show how much storage on Linux sucks. Not
a happy camper about that - and telling them
to use ZFS on FreeBSD or Solaris just doesn't
feel right :-).

Here's the thing to bear in mind: what I did is a straightforward extension of the existing XFS ASCII-based case-insensitive code. If that gets you the desired performance improvement, then my code should extend that to more general usage. If it doesn't, then there are places in XFS that I haven't touched that need modification to have these cases work well.


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