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Re: [PATCH/RFC 00/19] Support loop-back NFS mounts

To: NeilBrown <neilb@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC 00/19] Support loop-back NFS mounts
From: Dave Chinner <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:23:13 +1000
Cc: Jeff Layton <jlayton@xxxxxxxxxx>, linux-nfs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, netdev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Ming Lei <ming.lei@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, linux-kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, xfs@xxxxxxxxxxx, linux-mm@xxxxxxxxx, Ingo Molnar <mingo@xxxxxxxxxx>
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On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 11:50:18AM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 11:27:39 +1000 Dave Chinner <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2014 at 10:20:48AM +1000, NeilBrown wrote:
> > > A good example is the deadlock with the flush-* threads.
> > > flush-* will lock a page, and  then call ->writepage.  If ->writepage
> > > allocates memory it can enter reclaim, call ->releasepage on NFS, and 
> > > block
> > > waiting for a COMMIT to complete.
> > > The COMMIT might already be running, performing fsync on that same file 
> > > that
> > > flush-* is flushing.  It locks each page in turn.  When it  gets to the 
> > > page
> > > that flush-* has locked, it will deadlock.
> > 
> > It's nfs_release_page() again....
> > 
> > > In general, if nfsd is allowed to block on local filesystem, and local
> > > filesystem is allowed to block on NFS, then a deadlock can happen.
> > > We would need a clear hierarchy
> > > 
> > >    __GFP_NETFS > __GFP_FS > __GFP_IO
> > > 
> > > for it to work.  I'm not sure the extra level really helps a lot and it 
> > > would
> > > be a lot of churn.
> > 
> > I think you are looking at this the wrong way - it's not the other
> > filesystems that have to avoid memory reclaim recursion, it's the
> > NFS client mount that is on loopback that needs to avoid recursion.
> > 
> > IMO, the fix should be that the NFS client cannot block on messages sent to 
> > the NFSD
> > on the same host during memory reclaim. That is, nfs_release_page()
> > cannot send commit messages to the server if the server is on
> > localhost. Instead, it just tells memory reclaim that it can't
> > reclaim that page.
> > 
> > If nfs_release_page() no longer blocks in memory reclaim, and all
> > these nfsd-gets-blocked-in-GFP_KERNEL-memory-allocation recursion
> > problems go away. Do the same for all the other memory reclaim
> > operations in the NFS client, and you've got a solution that should
> > work without needing to walk all over the rest of the kernel....
> 
> Maybe.
> It is nfs_release_page() today. I wonder if it could be other things another
> day.  I want to be sure I have a solution that really makes sense.

There could be other things, but in the absence of those things,
I don't think that adding another layer to memory reclaim
dependencies for this niche corner case makes a lot of sense. ;)

> However ... the thing that nfs_release_page is doing it sending a COMMIT to
> tell the server to flush to stable storage.  It does that so that if the
> server crashes, then the client can re-send.
> Of course when it is a loop-back mount the client is the server so the COMMIT
> is completely pointless.  If the client notices that it is sending a COMMIT
> to itself, it can simply assume a positive reply.

Yes, that's very true. You might have to treat ->writepage
specially, too, if that can block, say, on the number of outstanding
requests that can be sent to the server.

> You are right, that would make the patch set a lot less intrusive.  I'll give
> it some serious thought - thanks.

No worries. :)

Cheers,

Dave.
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Dave Chinner
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