Re: RAID 6 grow problem

[Justin Piszcz <jpiszcz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

After you grew the RAID I am unsure if the XFS filesystem will 'know' 
about these changes and optimize appropriately, there are sunit= and 
swidth= you can pass as mount options.  However, since you're on the PCI 
bus, it has to calculate parity information for more drives and it will no 
doubt be slower.  Here is an example, I started with roughly 6 SATA/IDE 
drives on the PCI bus and the rebuilds use to run at 30-40MB/s, when I got 
to 10-12 drives, the rebuilds slowed down to 8MB/s, the PCI bus cannot 
handle it.  I would stick with SATA if you want speed.

Justin.

On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Iain Rauch wrote:

> Well, it's all done now. Thank you all so much for your help. There was no
> problem re-syncing from 8 to 16 drives, only that it took 4500 minutes.
>
> Anyway, here's a pic of the finished product.
> http://iain.rauch.co.uk/images/BigNAS.png
>
> Speeds seem a little slower than before, no idea why. The only things I
> changed was to put 4 drives instead of 2 on each SATA controller, and change
> to XFS instead of ext3. Chunk size is still the same at 128K. I seem to be
> getting around 22MB/s write whereas before it was nearer 30MB/s. This is
> just transferring from a 1TB LaCie disk (2x500GB RAID0) so I don't have any
> scientific evidence of comparisons.
>
> I also tried hdparm -tT and it showed almost 80MB/s for an individual drive
> and 113MB/s for md0.
>
> The last things I want to know is am I right in thinking the maximum file
> system size I can expand to is 16TB? And also, is it possible to shrink the
> size of an array, if I wanted to build the disks into another array to
> change file system or another reason? Lastly, would I take a performance hit
> if I added USB/FireWire drives into the array - would I be better off
> building another NAS and stick with SATA (I'm talking good year off here
> hopefully the space will last that long).
>
> TIA
>
>
> Iain
>
>
>
> > Sounds like you are well on your way.
> >
> > I am not too surprised on the time to completion.  I probably
> > underestimated/exaggerated a bit when I said after a few hours :)
> >
> > It took me over a day to grow one disk as well.  But my experience was on a
> > system with an older AMD 754 x64 Mother Board with a couple SATA on board and
> > the rest on two PCI cards each with 4 SATA ports.  So I have 8 SATA drives on
> > my PCI (33Mhz x 4 bytes (32bits) = 133MB/s) bus of which is saturated
> > basically after three drives.
> >
> > But this box sets in the basement and acts as my NAS.  So for file access
> > across the 100Mb/s network or wireless network, it does just fine.
> >
> > When I do hdparm -tT /dev/md1 I get read access speeds from 110MB/s - 130MB/s
> > and for my individual drives at around 50 - 60 MB/s so the RAID6 outperforms
> > (reads) any one drive and I am happy.  Bonnie/Bonnie++ is probably a better
> > tool for testing, but I was just looking for quick and dirty numbers.
> >
> > I have friends that have newer MB with half a dozen or almost a dozen SATA
> > connectors and PCI-express SATA controller cards.  Getting rid of the slow PCI
> > bus limitation increases the speed by magnitudes...  But this is another
> > topic/thread...
> >
> >
> > Congrats on your new kernel and progress!
> > Cheers,
> > Dan.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Iain Rauch
> > Sent: Tue, 6/5/2007 12:09pm
> > To: Bill Davidsen ; Daniel Korstad ; Neil Brown ; linux-raid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> > Justin Piszcz
> > Subject: Re: RAID 6 grow problem
> >
> >
> > > > > > > raid6 reshape wasn't added until 2.6.21.  Before that only raid5 was
> > > > > > > supported.
> > > > > > > You also need to ensure that CONFIG_MD_RAID5_RESHAPE=y.
> > > > > > I don't see that in the config. Should I add it? Then reboot?
> > Don't know how I missed it first time, but that is in my config.
> >
> > > > > You reported that you were running a 2.6.20 kernel, which doesn't
> > > > > support raid6 reshape.
> > > > > You need to compile a 2.6.21 kernel (or
> > > > >    apt-get install linux-image-2.6.21-1-amd64
> > > > > or whatever) and ensure that CONFIG_MD_RAID5_RESHAPE=y is in the
> > > > > .config before compiling.
> > > >
> > > > There only seems to be version 2.6.20 does this matter a lot? Also how do I
> > > > specify what is in the config when using apt-get install?
> > >
> > > 2.6.20 doesn't support the feature you want, only you can tell if that
> > > matters a lot. You don't, either get a raw kernel source and configure,
> > > or run what the vendor provides for config. Sorry, those are the option.
> > I have finally managed to compile a new kernel (2.6.21) and boot it.
> >
> > > > > > I used apt-get install mdadm to first install it, which gave me 2.5.x then
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > downloaded the new source and typed make then make install. Now mdadm -V
> > > > > > shows "mdadm - v2.6.2 - 21st May 2007".
> > > > > > Is there anyway to check it is installed correctly?
> > > > >
> > > > > The "mdadm -V" check is sufficient.
> > > >
> > > > Are you sure because at first I just did the make/make install and mdadm -V
> > > > did tell me v2.6.2 but I don't believe it was installed properly because it
> > > > didn't recognise my array nor did it make a config file, and cat
> > > > /proc/mdstat said no file/directory??
> > > mdadm doesn't control the /proc/mdstat file, it's written by the kernel.
> > > The kernel had no active array to mention in the mdstat file.
> > I see, thanks. I think it is working OK.
> >
> > I am currently growing a 4 disk array to an 8 disk array as a test, and if
> > it that works I'll use those 8 and add them to my original 8 to make a 16
> > disk array. This will be a while yet as this first grow is going to take
> > 2000 minutes. It looks like it's going to work fine, but I'll report back in
> > a couple of days.
> >
> > Thank you so much for your help; Dan, Bill, Neil, Justin and everyone else.
> >
> > The last thing I would like to know is if it is possible to 'clean' the
> > super blocks to make sure they are all OK. TIA.
> >
> >
> > Iain