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re[2]: enterprise-level experience

To: Simon Matter <simon.matter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <Marek.Les@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: re[2]: enterprise-level experience
From: Greg Freemyer <freemyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:15:34 -0400
Cc: <linux-xfs@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Organization: The NorcrossGroup
Sender: owner-linux-xfs@xxxxxxxxxxx
I agree with Simon.

When you are talking about a couple of Terabytes, most Raid Arrays effectively 
have their own LVM built in.

Generally, software LVM is just needed for 2 features:

Snapshots:  This is available in many Raid systems, but it can be a fairly 
expensive option, so many people prefer software snapshots.  Since XFS does not 
to my knowledge directly support snapshots, one is left to consider a software 
LVM vs. paying for the hardware option.

Mirroring between Raid Arrays: Some truly paranoid people use LVM to mirror 2 
standalone Raid Arrays to together.  This is pretty rare because it is very 
expensive to do.  I doubt you are planning on doing this.

You mention volume growth in your e-mail, put that is typically done in 
hardware when you are talking about a 2 Terabyte array.

Greg Freemyer


 >>  Marek.Les@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx schrieb:
 >>  > 
 >>  > Hi there,
 >>  > 
 >>  > Our company is in the process of moving the production server data on a
 >>  > enterprise storage servers and therefore we are considering which setup
 >>  > would have the best performance and stability at the same time. Our
 >>  > preliminary tests showed us that, at the filesystem level, XFS performs
 >>  > best. Unfortunately, to be capable of growing the volumes we need to add
 >>  > another layer - the volume manager. This increases the chances for
 >>  > something to go wrong.
 >>  > As I've read through the mailing list and other sources, there are only
 >>  two
 >>  > possible software packages on Linux - LVM and EVMS. From what I've read
 >>  I
 >>  > understood that LVM 1.x is feature-frozen and maybe even bugsolve-frozen
 >>  in
 >>  > favor of LVM2 development (see the deadlock while using xfs_freeze
 >>  issue).
 >>  > LVM 2.x is unstable beta and EVMS is so fresh that no real experience
 >>  has
 >>  > been heard of.
 >>  > I understand that there's no bug-free software and no guarantee of
 >>  anything
 >>  > but maybe some of you have some enterprise-level experience with, say,
 >>  2+
 >>  > TB data pool on XFS and some volume manager. I appreciate any reference
 >>  of
 >>  > any kind, some known imcompatibilies, what mistakes to avoid.. it would
 >>  > help me a lot.

 >>  I don't know the kind of storage you're going to use. There are ways to
 >>  create blockdevices which you can enlarge later, for example a linear
 >>  array where you just concatenate disks, or with some hardware RAID or
 >>  high end storage solution. It's then the same procedure like having a
 >>  100G disk with only one partition of 20G. You can enlarge (delete and
 >>  create the larger one with the same starting point) this partition to
 >>  40G and just grow the (still existing) xfs volume on it.

 >>  It's my dirty but safe way of doing Logical Volume Management :)

 >>  Simon

 >>  > 
 >>  > With best regards,
 >>  > 
 >>  > Marek Les
 >>  > Seznam.cz
 >>  > 
 >>  > Note: If you don't want to discuss this theme in public, please don't
 >>  > hesitate to write me directly :-)









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