Greg,
Thank you for your time!!!
Anthony
> Anthony,
>
> You need more advice than I can give you. I have so far stuck to patched
> distribution kernels. i.e. Mandrake, Redhat, SuSE.
>
> In your case, you might want to start following the aa kernels. i.e. SuSE
> is using 2.4.19-pre8aa1 where the aa is the initials of a specific kernel
> developer.
>
> They are a set of patched kernel.org kernels that have the xfs patches and
> some others all ready integrated.
>
> I don't know if they have any xfs patches newer than xfs v1.1 or not. I
> "assume" that only stable xfs patches are included.
>
> I say this, because the CVS tree breaks from time-to-time, and if you just
> blindly grab every patch that comes along, you will likely have a broken
> kernel from time-to-time.
>
> Greg
>
> >> Greg,
> >>
> >> I, do, appreciate and agree with your thought process however I want
> >> the latest and greatest XFS patches.
> >>
> >> Do you, then, think that it's safe to stay with, let's say in my case,
> >> Mantel,
> >> and apply XFS patches to it as they appear???
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank You,
> >> Anthony
> >>
> >> > Anthony,
> >> >
> >> > I am not an expert on Linux kernels, and I'm sure there are people
> >> > on
> >>
> >> this
> >>
> >> > list that will disagree with the below, but my thoughts are:
> >> >
> >> > It depends on what you are trying to do.
> >> >
> >> > If you are a kernel developer, or you want to be on the bleeding
> >> > edge of kernel capabilities, then you need a kernel from kernel.org
> >> > or one of
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >> > other kernel maintainers.
> >> >
> >> > For production I like to use distribution kernels.or patched
> >>
> >> distribution
> >>
> >> > kernels. i.e. From Redhat, SuSE, Mandrake, etc.
> >> >
> >> > My logic for this is that if the kernel turns out to have a bug, it
> >> > is likely that distribution maintainer will correct the kernel and
> >> > send out the fix.
> >> >
> >> > i.e. Redhat supported the 2.4.9 kernel for 8 months or so, and may
> >> > still
> >>
> >> be
> >>
> >> > releasing patches for it.
> >> >
> >> > If you are using a kernel.org kernel, and you get a rev. level
> >> > behind, nobody is going to support you.
> >> >
> >> > i.e. If you have 2.4.17 kernel today, and a kernel bug pops up that
> >> > you care about, there is nobody that is going to creating patches
> >> > against
> >>
> >> that
> >>
> >> > "old" of a kernel. As I understand it, the kernel developers never
> >> > fix
> >>
> >> a
> >>
> >> > released kernel. If something is broke, they fix it in the next
> >>
> >> release.
> >>
> >> > Unfortunately, something else will likely be broken in the next
> >> > release.
> >> >
> >> > If you want a "maintained" kernel, you have to get it from a
> >>
> >> distribution
> >>
> >> > provider.
> >> >
> >> > Another issue, is that if you upgrade your kernel and you don't get
> >> > all
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >> > associated pieces, you can break some applications.
> >> >
> >> > i.e. Some of the xfs user-land tools for kernels prior to 2.4.18
> >> > don't
> >>
> >> work
> >>
> >> > with the 2.4.18 kernel. I imagine that there are many of these
> >> > kernel dependencies spread around a typical distribution, and you
> >> > risk breaking things if you upgrade the kernel lock, stock, and
> >> > barrel.
> >> >
> >> > Greg Freemyer
> >> > Internet Engineer
> >> > Deployment and Integration Specialist
> >> > Compaq ASE - Tru64
> >> > Compaq Master ASE - SAN Architect
> >> > The Norcross Group
> >> > www.NorcrossGroup.com
> >> >
> >> > >> Greg,
> >> > >> Are there any advantages to me using the Mantel/SuSE kernel
> >> > >> over
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >> > >> latest
> >> > >> sources from sgi?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thanks,
> >> > >> Anthon
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Anthony,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > The notes at
> >>
> >>
> >> ftp://ftp-linux.cc.gatech.edu/pub/linux/distributions/suse/people/mante
> >>
> >> > >>l/ ne
> >> > >>
> >> > >> >xt/kernel-source.changes give you some of what you are asking
> >>
> >> about.
> >>
> >> > >> > Per the above, it is based on the 2.4.19-pre8aa1 kernel. I
> >>
> >> believe
> >>
> >> > >> > that already has the XFS patches in it, so you could look
> >> > >> > into
> >>
> >> what
> >>
> >> > >> > it has.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > For details, I guess you need to download the source RPM and
> >> > >> > read the specfile.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Greg
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > Since you are using a SuSE distribution, have you
> >> > >> > >> > thought about using
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> the
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > SuSE experimental kernel from
> >> > >> > >> > ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/people/mantel/next/RPM/
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > It has all the standard SuSE patches and includes a
> >> > >> > >> > relatively recent
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> XFS.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > Possibly XFS v1.1, but I'm not sure.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> I have the Mantel's latest kernel installed on my laptop
> >> > >> > >> however
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I'm
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> not certain what it is that I have. What I mean by that
> >> > >> > >> is
> >>
> >> how
> >>
> >> > >> > >> do I find out what XFS version and patch level do I have
> >> > >> > >> so
> >>
> >> that
> >>
> >> > >> > >> I can decide on patch upgrades? I know it says kernel
> >> > >> > >> 2.4.18 however is
> >> > >>
> >> > >> it
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> really 2.4.19 pre... .
> >> > >> > >> As you can see, I'm not certain of the versions and
> >> > >> > >> patch levels contained
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> within the Mantel stuff.
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> Anthony
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > FYI: The stock SuSE 8.0 kernel also has XFS support,
> >> > >> > >> > but
> >>
> >> the
> >>
> >> > >> > >> > ACL
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> handling
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > is broken in such a way that xfsdump/xfsrestore don't
> >>
> >> handle
> >>
> >> > >> > >> > ACLs correctly.
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > Greg Freemyer
> >> > >> > >> > Internet Engineer
> >> > >> > >> > Deployment and Integration Specialist
> >> > >> > >> > Compaq ASE - Tru64
> >> > >> > >> > Compaq Master ASE - SAN Architect
> >> > >> > >> > The Norcross Group
> >> > >> > >> > www.NorcrossGroup.com
> >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > >> Steve,
> >> > >> > >> > >> What do you recommend that I use since the box
> >> > >> > >> > >> I'm building
> >> > >>
> >> > >> is
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> a development
> >> > >> > >> > >> box for myself which I will be using for
> >> > >> > >> > >> development
> >> > >>
> >> > >> purposes
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> and
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> thus
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> will
> >> > >> > >> > >> be using other cvs sources from other opesource
> >>
> >> projects
> >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> as well?
> >> > >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> Anthony
> >> > >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, 2002-06-03 at 13:26, Anthony W. Marino
> >>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > I'm building/setting-up a new server SuSE 7.3
> >>
> >> which
> >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > will
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> include
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > 3ware (7810) ide raid (10 or 5) with brand
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > new drives
> >> > >>
> >> > >> and
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > most likely LVM
> >> > >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> too.
> >> > >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > Should I get the kernel from oss.sgi.com cvs
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > (CVSROOT=":pserver:cvs@xxxxxxxxxxx:/cvs"
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > linux-2.4-xfs)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> or
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > is there another location/process that I
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > should
> >> > >>
> >> > >> entertain?
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > Also
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> what
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > kernel release does the oss.sgi.com cvs
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > sources
> >>
> >> give
> >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > me?
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > Thank You,
> >> > >> > >> > >> > > Anthony
> >> > >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > >> > Right now it gives you 2.4.19-pre9 with xfs and
> >> > >> > >> > >> > kdb (which you probably do not care about).
> >> > >> > >> > >> > There are fixes in this
> >> > >>
> >> > >> tree
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > which
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> are
> >> > >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > not available anywhere else, it is the most
> >> > >> > >> > >> > direct link to XFS development. Of course this
> >> > >> > >> > >> > also
> >>
> >> possibly
> >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > means there
> >> > >>
> >> > >> are
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > >> > >> > bugs in this tree which are not available
> >> > >> > >> > >> > anywhere else.
> >> > >> > >> > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > >> > Steve
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Greg Freemyer
> >> > >> > Internet Engineer
> >> > >> > Deployment and Integration Specialist
> >> > >> > Compaq ASE - Tru64
> >> > >> > Compaq Master ASE - SAN Architect
> >> > >> > The Norcross Group
> >> > >> > www.NorcrossGroup.com
>
> Greg Freemyer
> Internet Engineer
> Deployment and Integration Specialist
> Compaq ASE - Tru64
> Compaq Master ASE - SAN Architect
> The Norcross Group
> www.NorcrossGroup.com
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