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Re: [pcp] PCP Network Latency PMDA

To: "Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [pcp] PCP Network Latency PMDA
From: Nathan Scott <nathans@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 22:11:51 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: Ken McDonell <kenj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, pcp@xxxxxxxxxxx
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Reply-to: Nathan Scott <nathans@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Thread-topic: PCP Network Latency PMDA

----- Original Message -----
> Hi -
> 
> > PMDAs can export many metrics, some may be expensive others not.
> > [...]  It exports many other metrics, and enabling every single
> > expensive metric that might make sense for it to export, simply
> > because pminfo connected and asked for a value (of an unrelated
> > metric) would not be sensible.
> 
> I don't think anyone was suggesting an all-or-none sort of collection
> behavior.  I only said on-demand, referring to the metrics actually
> requested by a client (suffering PM_ERR_VALUE or PM_ERR_AGAIN or
> PM_ERR_PMDANOTREADY or whatever for that first pmFetch).

Its common for someone to run something like "pminfo -f network" to get
a high level look, then browse through the result, maybe iterating on
further with pminfo to something more specific, or switching to pmchart
or another tool for a different view.

pminfo and pmprobe are the classic short-lived-clients cases that should
show why this would be a problem in practice (the PMDAs do not know what
the nature of the connecting clients are, and nor should they).

cheers.

--
Nathan

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