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Re: Still not sexy! (Re: sendfile+zerocopy: fairly sexy (nothing todowi

To: jamal <hadi@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Still not sexy! (Re: sendfile+zerocopy: fairly sexy (nothing todowith ECN)
From: Rick Jones <raj@xxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:25:01 -0800
Cc: Ion Badulescu <ionut@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Andrew Morton <andrewm@xxxxxxxxxx>, lkml <linux-kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "netdev@xxxxxxxxxxx" <netdev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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> > How does ZC/SG change the nature of the packets presented to the NIC?
> 
> what do you mean? I am _sure_ you know how SG/ZC work. So i am suspecting
> more than socratic view on life here. Could be influence from Aristotle;->

Well, I don't know  the specifics of Linux, but I gather from what I've
read on the list thusfar, that prior to implementing SG support, Linux
NIC drivers would copy packets into single contiguous buffers that were
then sent to the NIC yes? 

If so, the implication is with SG going, that copy no longer takes
place, and so a chain of buffers is given to the NIC.

Also, if one is fully ZC :) pesky things like protocol headers can
naturally end-up in separate buffers.

So, now you have to ask how well any given NIC follows chains of
buffers. At what number of buffers is the overhead in the NIC of
following the chains enough to keep it from achieving link-rate?

One way to try and deduce that would be to meld some of the SG and preSG
behaviours and copy packets into varying numbers of buffers per packet
and measure the resulting impact on throughput through the NIC.

rick jones

As time marches on, the orders of magnitude of the constants may change,
but basic concepts still remain, and the "lessons" learned in the past
by one generation tend to get relearned in the next :) for example -
there is no such a thing as a free lunch... :)

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