From walt@armour.cx Wed Oct 1 15:53:38 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Wed, 01 Oct 2003 15:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from burns.armour.cx (root@dsl093-174-140.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.174.140]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h91Mrc25018773 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:53:38 -0700 Received: from burns.armour.cx (walt@localhost.armour.cx [127.0.0.1]) by burns.armour.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h91MrZZW016363 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (walt@localhost) by burns.armour.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h91MrZCP019185 for ; Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: burns.armour.cx: walt owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 15:53:35 -0700 (PDT) From: walt To: fam@oss.sgi.com Subject: DNotify patch Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 155 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: walt@armour.cx Precedence: bulk X-list: fam I'm trying to locate a DNotify patch for FAM 2.6.10. The only one I'm able to track down is the one for 2.6.7 (from the FAM site). Any help? (FYI, the mailing list archives seem busted. I can only get September. Any other month just returns a blank page) From alexl@redhat.com Thu Oct 2 00:38:06 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Thu, 02 Oct 2003 00:38:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (pix-525-pool.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h927c525014390 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 00:38:06 -0700 Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h927c2t22384; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 03:38:02 -0400 Subject: Re: DNotify patch From: Alexander Larsson To: walt Cc: fam@oss.sgi.com In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1065080281.8497.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.92 (Preview Release) Date: 02 Oct 2003 09:38:01 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 156 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: alexl@redhat.com Precedence: bulk X-list: fam On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 00:53, walt wrote: > I'm trying to locate a DNotify patch for FAM 2.6.10. The only one I'm > able to track down is the one for 2.6.7 (from the FAM site). > > Any help? fam-2.6.8-dnotify2.patch in the redhat fam-2.6.8-12 packages is the latest i've done. Hopefully it applies to 2.6.10 too. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a world-famous vegetarian grifter looking for 'the Big One.' She's a scantily clad bisexual former first lady with a song in her heart and a spring in her step. They fight crime! From walt@armour.cx Thu Oct 2 11:28:04 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from burns.armour.cx (root@dsl093-174-140.pdx1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.174.140]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h92IS425004678 for ; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:28:04 -0700 Received: from burns.armour.cx (walt@localhost.armour.cx [127.0.0.1]) by burns.armour.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h92IS1ZW031035; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (walt@localhost) by burns.armour.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h92IS0pE019629; Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:28:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: burns.armour.cx: walt owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:28:00 -0700 (PDT) From: walt To: Alexander Larsson cc: fam@oss.sgi.com Subject: Re: DNotify patch In-Reply-To: <1065080281.8497.28.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 157 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: walt@armour.cx Precedence: bulk X-list: fam Ahhh.... finally got it to work :) I'm not up on automake all that much so it took me a bit... The patch does apply (with some minor offset differences) but I needed to run through the necessary steps to regenerate a configure script from configure.in (the steps are listed at the top of configure.in). I kept wondering why my changes didn't show up when I ./configure'd ... Thanks much. walt On 2 Oct 2003, Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 00:53, walt wrote: > > I'm trying to locate a DNotify patch for FAM 2.6.10. The only one I'm > > able to track down is the one for 2.6.7 (from the FAM site). > > > > Any help? > > fam-2.6.8-dnotify2.patch in the redhat fam-2.6.8-12 packages is the > latest i've done. Hopefully it applies to 2.6.10 too. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se > He's a world-famous vegetarian grifter looking for 'the Big One.' She's a > scantily clad bisexual former first lady with a song in her heart and a spring > in her step. They fight crime! > > > From steveo@syslang.net Sat Oct 4 10:34:19 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Sat, 04 Oct 2003 10:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from syslang.net (207-172-210-8.c3-0.frm-ubr1.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com [207.172.210.8]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h94HYI25002860 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 10:34:19 -0700 Received: from syslang.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by syslang.net (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h94HYBim011432 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:34:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (steveo@localhost) by syslang.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id h94HYBvD011428 for ; Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:34:11 -0400 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 13:34:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven W. Orr" To: fam@oss.sgi.com Subject: Looking for some tail Message-ID: Organization: SysLang Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 158 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: steveo@syslang.net Precedence: bulk X-list: fam I was wondering if there is such a thing as a tail or multitail client. I know that tail doesn't take much resource to run but i thought this would be a cool thing to do if it doesn't yet exist. But if it does I'd like to see it. Anyone? -- -Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have - -happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ -Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- -individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo at syslang.net From mike_4766@hotmail.com Thu Oct 16 09:06:31 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-f33.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.47.33]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9GG6V25026306 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:06:31 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:06:26 -0700 Received: from 217.28.194.170 by by9fd.bay9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:06:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [217.28.194.170] X-Originating-Email: [mike_4766@hotmail.com] From: "Mike ." To: fam@oss.sgi.com Subject: using fam to monitor file changes ... Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:06:25 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Oct 2003 16:06:26.0094 (UTC) FILETIME=[738B04E0:01C393FF] X-archive-position: 159 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: mike_4766@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk X-list: fam hi! We are using linux and fam on our fileservers, all users are members of the group "staff". The problem is that when somebody creates a file it autmatically gets the permission "-rw-r--r-- ", then when other users wants to make changes to the file its not possible ("r--"). This is not a linux admin discussion list, I know. So to solve this I had an idea of setting up fam to monitor all files and do this whenever something is created, this will be based on some rules. (this sounds really weired but I have not found other ways to do this) Whats the best way to monitor a filesystem, scan the whole fs at startup for directories? and then use fam? Im almost sure somebody will point out a completely different solution on this problem! Is this a good way or is there other way of doing this? All feedback is welcome! Thanks! -- Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile From jorgland@sol.wh-hms.uni-ulm.de Thu Oct 16 09:28:51 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:29:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.wh-hms.uni-ulm.de (sol.wh-hms.uni-ulm.de [134.60.220.1]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9GGSo25026859 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:28:50 -0700 Received: (qmail 11385 invoked by uid 3342); 16 Oct 2003 16:28:49 -0000 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:28:49 +0200 From: Joerg Wendland To: "Mike ." Cc: fam@oss.sgi.com Subject: Re: using fam to monitor file changes ... Message-ID: <20031016162849.GI31933@sol.wh-hms.uni-ulm.de> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uJWb33pM2TcUAXIl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-archive-position: 160 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: joergland@debian.org Precedence: bulk X-list: fam --uJWb33pM2TcUAXIl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mike ., on 2003-10-16, 16:06, you wrote: > So to solve this I had an idea of setting up fam to monitor all files and= =20 > do this > whenever something is created, this will be based on some rules. > (this sounds really weired but I have not found other ways to do this) That _is_ weird. Have ever heard of umask? Use this. HTH, Joerg --=20 Joerg "joergland" Wendland GPG: 51CF8417 FP: 79C0 7671 AFC7 315E 657A F318 57A3 7FBD 51CF 8417 --uJWb33pM2TcUAXIl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jsdAV6N/vVHPhBcRAtriAKCJBZamTuHWJKi5rvFV30IZbLT6xQCfd6Md PKJ7Sd68vkQEpy4os1HYX0w= =msNB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uJWb33pM2TcUAXIl-- From chris.walsh@pni.com Thu Oct 16 09:35:24 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pnimail1.pni.com (pnimail1.pni.com [204.155.174.120]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9GGZN25027029 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:35:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: using fam to monitor file changes ... To: "Mike ." Cc: fam@oss.sgi.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 Message-ID: From: chris.walsh@pni.com Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:35:17 -0700 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on PNIMAIL1.PNI.COM/PNI(601CF1HF59 | May 19, 2003) at 10/16/2003 09:35:25 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 161 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: chris.walsh@pni.com Precedence: bulk X-list: fam I think what you need to look into is umask: The umask is used by open(2) to set initial file permissions on a newly-created file. Specifically, permissions in the umask are turned off from the mode argument to open(2) (so, for example, the common umask default value of 022 results in new files being created with permissions 0666 & ~022 = 0644 = rw-r--r-- in the usual case where the mode is specified as 0666). Depending on which shell or ftp server you are running, there are different places to set the default umask. A google search for umask and your shell/ftp server will probably get you the results you are looking for. - Chris "Mike ." To Sent by: fam@oss.sgi.com fam-bounce@oss.sg cc i.com Subject using fam to monitor file changes ... Composed Date: 10/16/2003 09:24 AM hi! We are using linux and fam on our fileservers, all users are members of the group "staff". The problem is that when somebody creates a file it autmatically gets the permission "-rw-r--r-- ", then when other users wants to make changes to the file its not possible ("r--"). This is not a linux admin discussion list, I know. So to solve this I had an idea of setting up fam to monitor all files and do this whenever something is created, this will be based on some rules. (this sounds really weired but I have not found other ways to do this) Whats the best way to monitor a filesystem, scan the whole fs at startup for directories? and then use fam? Im almost sure somebody will point out a completely different solution on this problem! Is this a good way or is there other way of doing this? All feedback is welcome! Thanks! -- Mike _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile Get headline news all day on Arizona's Home Page, http://www.azcentral.com From mraymond@sgi.com Thu Oct 16 10:01:51 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tolkor.sgi.com (tolkor.SGI.COM [198.149.18.6]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9GH1o25028609 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:01:51 -0700 Received: from flecktone.americas.sgi.com (flecktone.americas.sgi.com [192.48.203.135]) by tolkor.sgi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/linux-outbound_gateway-1.1) with ESMTP id h9GHK2Hc030420 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:20:02 -0500 Received: from daisy-e236.americas.sgi.com (daisy-e236.americas.sgi.com [128.162.236.214]) by flecktone.americas.sgi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/generic_config-1.2) with ESMTP id h9GH1jaP12362208 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:01:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from goliath.americas.sgi.com (goliath.americas.sgi.com [128.162.232.85]) by daisy-e236.americas.sgi.com (8.12.9/SGI-server-1.8) with ESMTP id h9GH1jRn324954798 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:01:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from goliath.americas.sgi.com by goliath.americas.sgi.com (SGI-8.12.5/SGI-client-1.7) via ESMTP id h9GH1jaK011954; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:01:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from mraymond@localhost) by goliath.americas.sgi.com (SGI-8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h9GH1jW0011955 for fam@oss.sgi.com; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:01:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 12:01:45 -0500 From: Michael Raymond To: fam@oss.sgi.com Subject: New FAM maintainer Message-ID: <20031016120144.B11830@goliath.americas.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-archive-position: 162 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: mraymond@sgi.com Precedence: bulk X-list: fam I guess I'll take this oppurtunity to introduce myself to the list. I am still coming up to speed on it so I'd like to ask you guys what your expectations of me are? I'm expecting to test and roll in the patches that are sent my way. There has been a little discussion of moving this project to SourceForge. Would there be any real benefit to doing so? Thanks, Michael -- Michael A. Raymond Core OS Scheduling Group Real-Time Lead From dviner@yahoo-inc.com Thu Oct 16 10:42:28 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:43:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mrout2.yahoo.com (mrout2.yahoo.com [216.145.54.172]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9GHgQ25029794 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:42:28 -0700 Received: from penxng.smca.yahoo.com (penxng.smca.yahoo.com [204.119.24.188]) by mrout2.yahoo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/y.out) with ESMTP id h9GHfwhQ004320 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:41:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by penxng.smca.yahoo.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id <44PLBJ9M>; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:40:43 -0700 Message-ID: <263A1F717ECDED40AA969F98D1CF122E0F7AD4@penxng.smca.yahoo.com> From: "Viner, David" To: fam@oss.sgi.com Subject: sourceforge [WAS: New FAM maintainer] Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:40:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-archive-position: 163 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: dviner@yahoo-inc.com Precedence: bulk X-list: fam Personally, I like sourceforge, but that's mainly because I'm familiar with the environment - navigating the project files, understanding releases, monitoring developments, etc. I suspect that FAM might get some more exposure on Sourceforge than on sgi's site. (I hold nothing against sgi... but most open source developers look to sourceforge, freshmeat, etc., for software.) So, all in all, I'd like to see the project moved to Sourceforge. But, I'm just one voice. On a seperate note, are you also the maintainer of the SGI::FAM perl module on CPAN? (http://www.perl.com/CPAN-local/modules/by-module/SGI/SGI-FAM-1.002.readme) thanks dave -----Original Message----- From: Michael Raymond [mailto:mraymond@sgi.com] Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 10:02 AM To: fam@oss.sgi.com Subject: New FAM maintainer I guess I'll take this oppurtunity to introduce myself to the list. I am still coming up to speed on it so I'd like to ask you guys what your expectations of me are? I'm expecting to test and roll in the patches that are sent my way. There has been a little discussion of moving this project to SourceForge. Would there be any real benefit to doing so? Thanks, Michael -- Michael A. Raymond Core OS Scheduling Group Real-Time Lead From jorgland@sol.wh-hms.uni-ulm.de Sat Oct 18 04:28:10 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Sat, 18 Oct 2003 04:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.wh-hms.uni-ulm.de (sol.wh-hms.uni-ulm.de [134.60.220.1]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9IBS825030071 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2003 04:28:09 -0700 Received: (qmail 3038 invoked by uid 3342); 18 Oct 2003 11:28:07 -0000 Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:28:07 +0200 From: Joerg Wendland To: Michael Raymond Cc: fam@oss.sgi.com Subject: Re: New FAM maintainer Message-ID: <20031018112807.GL31933@sol.wh-hms.uni-ulm.de> References: <20031016120144.B11830@goliath.americas.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="45wMVEkw4XUbiYON" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031016120144.B11830@goliath.americas.sgi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i X-archive-position: 164 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: joergland@debian.org Precedence: bulk X-list: fam --45wMVEkw4XUbiYON Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Michael, Michael Raymond, on 2003-10-16, 12:01, you wrote: > I guess I'll take this oppurtunity to introduce myself to the list. I > am still coming up to speed on it so I'd like to ask you guys what your > expectations of me are? I'm expecting to test and roll in the patches th= at > are sent my way. There has been a little discussion of moving this proje= ct > to SourceForge. Would there be any real benefit to doing so? I am the maintainer of the FAM Debian packages. I would second using sf.net for development of FAM because there it would be easy to add other developers to the project (if you trust them, of course). I think this would benefit FAM as some people like me have nice ideas how FAM should evolve in the future and can actually work on them. =20 Following are mine: - libfam and famd should be able to communicate with each other without using portmap. This wish is often heard from people using desktop environments like GNOME or KDE and do not want to run portmap just for using fam. - You should integrate the DNotify patch upstream. That would ease packaging since all major distributions include this patch. - The build system needs a complete overhaul. It is kind of outdated (from old autotools versions) and brings lots of problems while building packages of fam. - I would like to see fam using a kind of plugin system for the actual monitors. So one could install fam and a dnotify-, an imon- and a polling-module and fam would choose among them during startup. This would make fam more flexible, better to debug and easier to extend. These are my thoughts from a packagers point of view. I would be glad to help you develop fam. Greetings from Germany, Joerg --=20 Joerg "joergland" Wendland GPG: 51CF8417 FP: 79C0 7671 AFC7 315E 657A F318 57A3 7FBD 51CF 8417 --45wMVEkw4XUbiYON Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kSPHV6N/vVHPhBcRAqXWAJsE31h7dSn1ws1bIl+XHkEJzDUGZwCdHS8g x/kUNWBed/xVcmQtkXnCzzA= =qn+H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45wMVEkw4XUbiYON-- From mraymond@sgi.com Mon Oct 20 07:02:24 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tolkor.sgi.com (tolkor.SGI.COM [198.149.18.6]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9KE2N25018441 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 07:02:23 -0700 Received: from flecktone.americas.sgi.com (flecktone.americas.sgi.com [192.48.203.135]) by tolkor.sgi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/linux-outbound_gateway-1.1) with ESMTP id h9KEKmHc024725 for ; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:20:48 -0500 Received: from daisy-e236.americas.sgi.com (daisy-e236.americas.sgi.com [128.162.236.214]) by flecktone.americas.sgi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/generic_config-1.2) with ESMTP id h9KE2HP512358982; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:02:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from goliath.americas.sgi.com (goliath.americas.sgi.com [128.162.232.85]) by daisy-e236.americas.sgi.com (8.12.9/SGI-server-1.8) with ESMTP id h9KE2HRn324958056; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:02:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from goliath.americas.sgi.com by goliath.americas.sgi.com (SGI-8.12.5/SGI-client-1.7) via ESMTP id h9KE2HqR009064; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:02:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from mraymond@localhost) by goliath.americas.sgi.com (SGI-8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h9KE2Hfu009311; Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:02:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 09:02:17 -0500 From: Michael Raymond To: "Viner, David" Cc: fam@oss.sgi.com Subject: Re: sourceforge [WAS: New FAM maintainer] Message-ID: <20031020090216.B9178@goliath.americas.sgi.com> References: <263A1F717ECDED40AA969F98D1CF122E0F7AD4@penxng.smca.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <263A1F717ECDED40AA969F98D1CF122E0F7AD4@penxng.smca.yahoo.com>; from dviner@yahoo-inc.com on Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 10:40:42AM -0700 X-archive-position: 165 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: mraymond@sgi.com Precedence: bulk X-list: fam It looks like most people think it would be a good idea to go to Source Forge. This sounds fine to me, so I'll look into getting something set up in the next week or two. On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 10:40:42AM -0700, Viner, David wrote: > On a seperate note, are you also the maintainer of the SGI::FAM perl module > on CPAN? > (http://www.perl.com/CPAN-local/modules/by-module/SGI/SGI-FAM-1.002.readme) Nope. Looking at the CPAN web page, the registered maintainer is not an SGI employee. Michael -- Michael A. Raymond Core OS Scheduling Group Real-Time Lead From dviner@yahoo-inc.com Thu Oct 23 11:10:25 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mrout2.yahoo.com (mrout2.yahoo.com [216.145.54.172]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9NIAO25004801 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:10:24 -0700 Received: from penxng.smca.yahoo.com (penxng.smca.yahoo.com [204.119.24.188]) by mrout2.yahoo.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/y.out) with ESMTP id h9NI9bSI039544 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by penxng.smca.yahoo.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:08:19 -0700 Message-ID: <263A1F717ECDED40AA969F98D1CF122E0F7B01@penxng.smca.yahoo.com> From: "Viner, David" To: "'fam@oss.sgi.com'" Subject: fam vs libevent? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:08:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-archive-position: 166 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: dviner@yahoo-inc.com Precedence: bulk X-list: fam can someone with more knowledge than i explain the differentiating features of FAM and libevent? both seem to address the same problem area. libevent information can be found at http://www.monkey.org/~provos/libevent/ thanks dave From mraymond@sgi.com Thu Oct 23 12:01:56 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rj.sgi.com (mtvcafw.sgi.com [192.48.171.6]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9NJ1t25005449 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:01:56 -0700 Received: from flecktone.americas.sgi.com (flecktone.americas.sgi.com [192.48.203.135]) by rj.sgi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/linux-outbound_gateway-1.1) with ESMTP id h9NH6ZOO001648 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:06:35 -0700 Received: from daisy-e236.americas.sgi.com (daisy-e236.americas.sgi.com [128.162.236.214]) by flecktone.americas.sgi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/generic_config-1.2) with ESMTP id h9NJ1oP512484695; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:01:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from goliath.americas.sgi.com (goliath.americas.sgi.com [128.162.232.85]) by daisy-e236.americas.sgi.com (8.12.9/SGI-server-1.8) with ESMTP id h9NJ1oRn340396563; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:01:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from goliath.americas.sgi.com by goliath.americas.sgi.com (SGI-8.12.5/SGI-client-1.7) via ESMTP id h9NJ1oqR016408; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:01:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from mraymond@localhost) by goliath.americas.sgi.com (SGI-8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h9NJ1nEj016387; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:01:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:01:49 -0500 From: Michael Raymond To: "Viner, David" Cc: "'fam@oss.sgi.com'" Subject: Re: fam vs libevent? Message-ID: <20031023140149.G15582@goliath.americas.sgi.com> References: <263A1F717ECDED40AA969F98D1CF122E0F7B01@penxng.smca.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <263A1F717ECDED40AA969F98D1CF122E0F7B01@penxng.smca.yahoo.com>; from dviner@yahoo-inc.com on Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:08:18AM -0700 X-archive-position: 167 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: mraymond@sgi.com Precedence: bulk X-list: fam Different OS's support different versions of /dev/poll, kqueue, /dev/epoll, etc. libevent exists to allow an application program to a single interface and let the library worry about working with what the OS supports. FAM isn't so much interested in socket events for network servers as it is targeted at events in normal files in the filesytem. That's my experience at least. Michael On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:08:18AM -0700, Viner, David wrote: > can someone with more knowledge than i explain the differentiating features > of FAM and libevent? both seem to address the same problem area. libevent > information can be found at http://www.monkey.org/~provos/libevent/ > > thanks > dave > > -- Michael A. Raymond Core OS Scheduling Group Real-Time Lead From steveo@syslang.net Thu Oct 23 12:11:10 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from syslang.net (207-172-210-8.c3-0.frm-ubr1.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com [207.172.210.8]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9NJB925005587 for ; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 12:11:10 -0700 Received: from syslang.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by syslang.net (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9NJB7vb023327; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:11:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (steveo@localhost) by syslang.net (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) with ESMTP id h9NJB73E023323; Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:11:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 15:11:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steven W. Orr" To: "Viner, David" cc: "'fam@oss.sgi.com'" Subject: Re: fam vs libevent? In-Reply-To: <263A1F717ECDED40AA969F98D1CF122E0F7B01@penxng.smca.yahoo.com> Message-ID: References: <263A1F717ECDED40AA969F98D1CF122E0F7B01@penxng.smca.yahoo.com> Organization: SysLang Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 168 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: steveo@syslang.net Precedence: bulk X-list: fam On Thursday, Oct 23rd 2003 at 11:08 -0700, quoth Viner, David: =>can someone with more knowledge than i explain the differentiating features =>of FAM and libevent? both seem to address the same problem area. libevent =>information can be found at http://www.monkey.org/~provos/libevent/ => =>thanks =>dave Good question. fam is based on a particular patch added to the kernel that came out of SGI called dnotify. It allows IOCTLs to specify that signals should be delivered upon certain specifiable file events. I just took a look at libevent and I don't have a clue how it's supposed to operate. It seems to be OS agnostic and even supports winbloze. Leads me to suspect it's polling internally. I could be wrong. -- -Time flies like the wind. Fruit flies like a banana. Stranger things have - -happened but none stranger than this. Does your driver's license say Organ -Donor?Black holes are where God divided by zero. Listen to me! We are all- -individuals! What if this weren't a hypothetical question? steveo at syslang.net From alexl@redhat.com Fri Oct 24 00:44:15 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (pix-525-pool.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9O7iE25025493 for ; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 00:44:14 -0700 Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h9O7iBW16016; Fri, 24 Oct 2003 03:44:11 -0400 Subject: Re: fam vs libevent? From: Alexander Larsson To: "Viner, David" Cc: "'fam@oss.sgi.com'" In-Reply-To: <263A1F717ECDED40AA969F98D1CF122E0F7B01@penxng.smca.yahoo.com> References: <263A1F717ECDED40AA969F98D1CF122E0F7B01@penxng.smca.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1066981450.16726.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.92 (Preview Release) Date: 24 Oct 2003 09:44:10 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: alexl@redhat.com Precedence: bulk X-list: fam On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 20:08, Viner, David wrote: > can someone with more knowledge than i explain the differentiating features > of FAM and libevent? both seem to address the same problem area. libevent > information can be found at http://www.monkey.org/~provos/libevent/ They are entierly unrelated. One (fam) handles file change notification and one (libevent) is useful as a scalable replacement for select(). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's an underprivileged neurotic ex-con with acid for blood. She's a virginal French-Canadian angel looking for love in all the wrong places. They fight crime! From mraymond@sgi.com Fri Oct 31 11:31:13 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list fam); Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:31:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from tolkor.sgi.com (tolkor.sgi.com [198.149.18.6]) by oss.sgi.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with SMTP id h9VJVD25001254 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:31:13 -0800 Received: from flecktone.americas.sgi.com (flecktone.americas.sgi.com [192.48.203.135]) by tolkor.sgi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/linux-outbound_gateway-1.1) with ESMTP id h9VJoIHc009218 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:50:18 -0600 Received: from daisy-e236.americas.sgi.com (daisy-e236.americas.sgi.com [128.162.236.214]) by flecktone.americas.sgi.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/generic_config-1.2) with ESMTP id h9VJV7P512890443 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:31:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from goliath.americas.sgi.com (goliath.americas.sgi.com [128.162.232.85]) by daisy-e236.americas.sgi.com (8.12.9/SGI-server-1.8) with ESMTP id h9VJV6Rn348515899 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:31:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from goliath.americas.sgi.com by goliath.americas.sgi.com (SGI-8.12.5/SGI-client-1.7) via ESMTP id h9VJV6qR029279; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:31:06 -0600 (CST) Received: (from mraymond@localhost) by goliath.americas.sgi.com (SGI-8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h9VJV6Qd029231 for fam@oss.sgi.com; Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:31:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 13:31:05 -0600 From: Michael Raymond To: fam@oss.sgi.com Subject: FAM project on SF Message-ID: <20031031133105.C28843@goliath.americas.sgi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-archive-position: 170 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com Errors-to: fam-bounce@oss.sgi.com X-original-sender: mraymond@sgi.com Precedence: bulk X-list: fam I created a project entry for FAM on SourceForge. It doesn't have any content yet but I'll work on that over the next week or so. After that I'll complete the release of version 2.7 and then accept new submissions through either acting as the gateway or selectively opening up CVS. Thanks, Michael -- Michael A. Raymond Core OS Scheduling Group Real-Time Lead