From owner-apache@oss.sgi.com Tue Feb 20 17:11:09 2001 Received: by oss.sgi.com id ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:10:59 -0800 Received: from deliverator.sgi.com ([204.94.214.10]:5239 "EHLO deliverator.sgi.com") by oss.sgi.com with ESMTP id ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:10:44 -0800 Received: from trudge.engr.sgi.com (trudge.engr.sgi.com [163.154.38.51]) by deliverator.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980310.SGI-aspam) via ESMTP id RAA18284 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:09:41 -0800 (PST) mail_from (mja@trudge.engr.sgi.com) Received: (from mja@localhost) by trudge.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id RAA75704 for apache@oss.sgi.com; Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:08:50 -0800 (PST) From: mja@trudge.engr.sgi.com (Mike Abbott) Message-Id: <200102210108.RAA75704@trudge.engr.sgi.com> Subject: How to help the AAP To: apache@oss.sgi.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 17:08:50 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apache@oss.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;apache-outgoing In a story I read to my kids, only Horton the elephant (with his large ears) hears the tiny Whos inhabiting a dust mote. The other jungle animals threaten to boil the mote in oil unless the Whos shout loud enough for them to hear. Only when all the Whos, including the very smallest, yell together do the other animals hear and believe. [Horton Hears a Who, by Dr. Seuss.] Now is the time for all you Accelerating Apache Project supporters, no matter how small, to voice your support for this project to the ASF. As I announced a month ago on the project site I can't keep porting the patches to new versions of Apache. If the ASF adopts them into the main stream you won't need me to. They have declined, but they may change their minds if you vouch for the stability, usefulness, and speed of the patches. Quantify the number of sites, systems, and different platforms on which you use the patches. Tell them you value speed as well as portability. Explain what you want now, because they don't know. They don't hear me, a single voice, but they may hear a chorus. Mail your statements in support of the AAP to: new-httpd@apache.org -- Michael J. Abbott mja@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/mja/ Accelerating Apache Project http://oss.sgi.com/projects/apache/ From owner-apache@oss.sgi.com Wed Feb 21 04:40:04 2001 Received: by oss.sgi.com id ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:39:45 -0800 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]:59789 "EHLO mout0.freenet.de") by oss.sgi.com with ESMTP id ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 04:39:36 -0800 Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14VYYQ-0004Zh-00; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:39:34 +0100 Received: from b826b.pppool.de ([213.7.130.107] helo=Magelan.Leidinger.net) by mx0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14VYYN-0006Uq-00; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:39:34 +0100 Received: from Leidinger.net (netchild@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Magelan.Leidinger.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f1LAnoC02157; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:49:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from netchild@Leidinger.net) Message-Id: <200102211049.f1LAnoC02157@Magelan.Leidinger.net> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 11:49:48 +0100 (CET) From: Alexander Leidinger Subject: Re: How to help the AAP To: mja@trudge.engr.sgi.com cc: apache@oss.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <200102210108.RAA75704@trudge.engr.sgi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-apache@oss.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;apache-outgoing On 20 Feb, Mike Abbott wrote: > Now is the time for all you Accelerating Apache Project supporters, no > matter how small, to voice your support for this project to the ASF. As > I announced a month ago on the project site I can't keep porting the > patches to new versions of Apache. If the ASF adopts them into the main > stream you won't need me to. They have declined, but they may change > their minds if you vouch for the stability, usefulness, and speed of the > patches. Quantify the number of sites, systems, and different platforms > on which you use the patches. Tell them you value speed as well as > portability. Explain what you want now, because they don't know. They > don't hear me, a single voice, but they may hear a chorus. Can you point us to some explanation why the ASF decided to decline? Bye, Alexander. -- Press every key to continue. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 From owner-apache@oss.sgi.com Wed Feb 21 05:16:35 2001 Received: by oss.sgi.com id ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 05:16:24 -0800 Received: from [212.106.193.79] ([212.106.193.79]:48019 "EHLO exc.ya.com") by oss.sgi.com with ESMTP id ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 05:16:08 -0800 Received: from dcruz ([212.106.206.40]) by exc.ya.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-65318U1000L100S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:15:41 +0100 From: "David Cruz Langreo" To: Subject: RE: How to help the AAP Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:18:04 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200102211049.f1LAnoC02157@Magelan.Leidinger.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-apache@oss.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;apache-outgoing Just give an e-mail to send it. Kitai Ya.com Platform Team www.ya.com -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-apache@oss.sgi.com [mailto:owner-apache@oss.sgi.com]En nombre de Alexander Leidinger Enviado el: miercoles, 21 de febrero de 2001 11:50 Para: mja@trudge.engr.sgi.com CC: apache@oss.sgi.com Asunto: Re: How to help the AAP On 20 Feb, Mike Abbott wrote: > Now is the time for all you Accelerating Apache Project supporters, no > matter how small, to voice your support for this project to the ASF. As > I announced a month ago on the project site I can't keep porting the > patches to new versions of Apache. If the ASF adopts them into the main > stream you won't need me to. They have declined, but they may change > their minds if you vouch for the stability, usefulness, and speed of the > patches. Quantify the number of sites, systems, and different platforms > on which you use the patches. Tell them you value speed as well as > portability. Explain what you want now, because they don't know. They > don't hear me, a single voice, but they may hear a chorus. Can you point us to some explanation why the ASF decided to decline? Bye, Alexander. -- Press every key to continue. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 From owner-apache@oss.sgi.com Wed Feb 21 13:56:47 2001 Received: by oss.sgi.com id ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:56:37 -0800 Received: from deliverator.sgi.com ([204.94.214.10]:62547 "EHLO deliverator.sgi.com") by oss.sgi.com with ESMTP id ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:56:20 -0800 Received: from nodin.corp.sgi.com (nodin.corp.sgi.com [192.26.51.193]) by deliverator.sgi.com (980309.SGI.8.8.8-aspam-6.2/980310.SGI-aspam) via ESMTP id NAA00633 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:55:15 -0800 (PST) mail_from (mja@trudge.engr.sgi.com) Received: from trudge.engr.sgi.com (trudge.engr.sgi.com [163.154.38.51]) by nodin.corp.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id NAA87715 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:55:48 -0800 (PST) Received: (from mja@localhost) by trudge.engr.sgi.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/970903.SGI.AUTOCF) id NAA71757; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:53:50 -0800 (PST) From: mja@trudge.engr.sgi.com (Mike Abbott) Message-Id: <200102212153.NAA71757@trudge.engr.sgi.com> Subject: Re: How to help the AAP To: Alexander@Leidinger.net (Alexander Leidinger) Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 13:53:50 -0800 (PST) Cc: apache@oss.sgi.com In-Reply-To: <200102211049.f1LAnoC02157@Magelan.Leidinger.net> from "Alexander Leidinger" at Feb 21, 2001 11:49:48 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-apache@oss.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;apache-outgoing > Can you point us to some explanation why the ASF decided to decline? http://oss.sgi.com/projects/apache/faq.html#Q12 -- Michael J. Abbott mja@sgi.com http://reality.sgi.com/mja/ From owner-apache@oss.sgi.com Wed Feb 21 14:10:37 2001 Received: by oss.sgi.com id ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:10:17 -0800 Received: from runt.ebetinc.com ([208.48.139.171]:2316 "EHLO runt.ebetinc.com") by oss.sgi.com with ESMTP id ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:10:02 -0800 Received: from drees (drees.ebetinc.com [200.1.1.25]) by runt.ebetinc.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10434 for ; Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:09:56 -0800 From: "David Rees" To: "Apache@Oss. Sgi. Com" Subject: RE: How to help the AAP Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 14:09:56 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200102212153.NAA71757@trudge.engr.sgi.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-apache@oss.sgi.com Precedence: bulk Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;apache-outgoing > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-apache@oss.sgi.com [mailto:owner-apache@oss.sgi.com]On > Behalf Of Mike Abbott > > > Can you point us to some explanation why the ASF decided to decline? > > http://oss.sgi.com/projects/apache/faq.html#Q12 (Note: I know next to nothing about the accelerating Apache patches, so what I suggest may not be possible) What about breaking up the patch into smaller chunks so that at least some parts make it into the main branch? Has anything been accepted at all to the main tree? At the very least, getting things like the 64-bit compatibility patches would be useful. I've attempted to contribute simple patches to other Apache projects in the past (Tomcat), and found it very difficult to make any progress even when submitting obviously correct patches. No-one would apply the patches! It really requires you to get the attention a committer in the group, and only then can you make some progress. It seems that there is much politics and in-fighting going on in the various Apache developer groups which is unfortunate and scares developers away. -Dave