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To: "Erik Mouw" <erik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Kernel build problem
From: "Dunn, Charles" <CDunn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:18:41 -0400
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Thread-topic: Kernel build problem

        Maybe I'm crazy but Linus's analogy doesn't seem to apply at
all. Basically what he's saying is that if you want stronger rabbits,
make them run.. Well, you know, eventually, the rabbit is fast enough,
there's no need to keep covering the same ground over and over again.
Eventually you just want details about a problem to help you understand
the bigger issue.

        The whole "NT has a nice debugger" issue is an emotional
argument that doesn't hold water.. Just because NT did something it's
automatically bad, I don't think so... California has major faults to,
but people still live there and seem to enjoy it.. :-)

        To be honest, I have zero desire to spend time in an emotional
discussion over a non-emotional issue. If I want that I can go get a
soapbox and start talking politics (in a different forum of course).. I
don't need that aggravation at work too... That stuff is like teaching a
pig to sing. It doesn't work and it annoys the pig. People are no longer
discussing differing logical viewpoints, it's religion, and no one is
going to be convinced.. So why start the fight.. I will just do what I
have to do, to get my job done.. At the end of the day, Linus et al
don't pay my mortgage.

        But, thanks for finding the original quote!


-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Mouw [mailto:erik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:46 PM
To: Vladimir G. Ivanovic
Cc: Dunn, Charles; linux-scsi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Kernel build problem

On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 09:23:55AM -0700, Vladimir G. Ivanovic wrote:
> To be fair, it's not really a Red Hat issue, but rather Linus's belief
> that debuggers lead to patching symptoms rather than fixing the
> underlying problem.

FYI, here is the complete quote:

"The debugger is akin to giving the _rabbits_ a bazooka. The poor wolf
 doesn't get any sharper teeth.  Yeah, it sure helps against wolves. 
 They explode in pretty patterns of red drops flying _everywhere_. Cool.
 But it doesn't help against a rabbit gene pool that is slowly
 deteriorating because there is nothing to keep them from breeding, and
 darwin to make sure that it's the fastest and strongest that breeds.
 You mentioned how NT has the nicest debugger out there. 
 Contemplate it."

        - Linus Torvalds

Feel free to start a discussion about this on linux-kernel, but be
forewarned that it usually ends in a flamewar.


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