Yes, I agree that the original source of this is Linus's belief that
debuggers make for bad fixes. And, the folks at RH can still think for
themselves. They choose to follow the path they are on.
Other distributions manage to include kdb, RH could as well, but they
choose not to.. It's not fair to blame Linus for what RH does either...
From: Vladimir G. Ivanovic [mailto:vladimir@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:24 PM
To: Dunn, Charles
Subject: Re: Kernel build problem
To be fair, it's not really a Red Hat issue, but rather Linus's belief
that debuggers lead to patching symptoms rather than fixing the
Vladimir G. Ivanovic http://leonora.org/~vladimir
Palo Alto, CA 94306 +1 650 678 8014
>>>>> "cd" == Charles Dunn <Dunn> writes:
>> It is a pity that
>> RedHat do not want kdb, it means that RH users have a lot of
>> trying to debug their systems. OTOH SuSE are happy to include
>> their distributions.
cd> I agree 1000%! I went around and around with RH sales about
cd> complaints about the sales person, she really tried to get to
cd> of why this is the way it is, and she even found the answer.. In
cd> with her it was clear that in 99% of her conversations with RH
cd> the attitude was one of: "Debuggers produce bad fixes. Always.
cd> are evil."..
cd> This is like blaming forks for a person being overweight. Any
cd> be used badly. No debugger is a substitute for understanding the
cd> and producing a good solution. But a debugger can illuminate
cd> problem causes and shorten the debug cycle like few other tools
cd> This whole debugger thing with RH has been frustrating beyond
cd> may even switch from RH to SuSe because of this, but mostly
cd> seems to enjoy making life hard for embedded products makers who
cd> use RH. We are building VoIP test equipment and want to use RH
as the OS
cd> inside.. They are making us jump through hoops that Microsoft
cd> even thought of yet. It's getting close to the point where it
cd> cheaper per box sold to have Windows inside than Linux.. Am I
cd> is that just a tad upside down from where Linux is supposed to
cd> -Charlie Dunn
cd> Empirix Inc.
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